[Dextrose]

Idézet: Wyco - Dátum: 2007. aug. 16., csütörtök - 22:57

That is true, but chatting online with people wont substitute this.

Or a minimal experience

[dr zaius]

Idézet: Dextrose - Dátum: 2007. aug. 16., csütörtök - 21:54

Speaking fluently alien language means big decision near learning. I am not this type. I will never speak properly unless I am abroad at least one year. There are no so efficient educational method than the other environment.

It'd be better to say: you haven't met an efficient method so far... But believe me there are certain approaches (and within: methods, and within methods: techniques) that work in foreign lg. education (TeMoL - Teaching Modern Languages). 

Properly or at a native-speaker-like level? Because... you can learn lg. appropriateness in a classroom environment, though in a natural setting, acquisition is easier and the input is more direct. Until you go abroad, you can improve your English by reading a lot (by doing FVR and providing the i+1 input), so give it a go.

Good luck with your studies.

[dr zaius]

Idézet: Dextrose - Dátum: 2007. aug. 16., csütörtök - 21:54

Speaking fluently alien language means big decision near learning. I am not this type. I will never speak properly unless I am abroad at least one year. There are no so efficient educational method than the other environment.

Oh, and one more thing. Your success as a language learner doesn't depend on a teaching approach (hence on your teacher) exclusively. It also requires a good learning strategy on your side. It is vitally important to be aware of your cognitive style in order to adapt the appropriate learning strategy to your personality. So, it takes more effort on your side... don't wait for a good approach.

[szabinar]

Idézet: dr zaius - Dátum: 2007. aug. 16., csütörtök - 14:14

It is only your personal experience as a language learner. In AL there is no formula to calculate it... (IDs!)

Oke, nem vagyok hive az ilyen jellegu topicrombolasnak, de kenytelen vagyok leirni magyarul is, hatha igy sikerul megerteni:

mielott ir valaki olvasson is legyszives. Te vagy kb a negyedik aki belekot ebbe, ime alljon itt edes ekes apanyelvunkon a megoldas, hatha sikerul tovabb lepni vegre:

Idézet

Dextrose kerdezte: What is your view about this?:

http://hu.wikipedia....%B1_angol_nyelv

Az altala idezett link (ami az un "basic English"-rol szol) kb elso mondataban szerepel az, hogy 7 ev egy nyelvet megtanulni.

Erre irtam azt -ugyanis en regimodi forumozokent olvasok mielott irok-, hogy bizony 7 evre van szuksege, hogy megtanulja a nyelvet, az effele "basic English" semmikeppen sem nevezheto nyelvtudasnak.

jah, sry a stilusert de itt mindenki hulyenek nez, mert "7 evig tanultam az angolt";
mikozben:

1. nem rolam volt szo;
2. tobb mint 8 eve elek angol nyelvteruleten es bizony azt mondom, hogy 5 ev minimum kell a nyelv elsajatitasahoz. 3 szamjegyu IQ eseten persze, mert ismerek itt par embert aki 15+ eve itt van de iszonyatosan sz@rul beszelnik a nyelvet.

Ha valaki azzal jon, hogy neki 1-2 evig tartott angolul (vagy akarmilyen mas nyelven) megtanulni, az:
1. hazudik;
2. igen erosen tulertekeli a sajat tudasat.

Az nem angol nyelvtudas imo, hogy az easyjet oldalan angolul meg bir venni valaki egy repulojegyet, vagy kepes venni egy doboz Marlborot szotar nelkul.

Szerkesztette: szabinar 2007. 08. 17. 17:43 -kor

[Raynes]

Idézet: Drummaster - Dátum: 2007. júl. 26., csütörtök - 16:29

Hi guys, im back. My english teacher is on summer-holiday, but i not want stop learning to english language.
I will start my holiday soon. I deserve a short rest (?)...

The middle sentence would be proper this way: "My English teacher is on summer holiday but I don't want to stop learning English language."

Csak apropóképp  Ez a 7 évnyi tanulás dolog baromság. Ha komolyan veszi az ember, akkor megfelelõ nyelvterületen 0-ról indulva elég intenzív 6 hónap is, rendszeres írás esetén az íráshoz is. Kár, hogy nagyon drága kimenni Még valami: a nyelvkönyvek nyomják orrba-szájba a nyelvtant, kiejtést. A szó- és mondathangsúlyt, hanglejtést, tagolást nem gyakoroltatják, pedig a folyamatos beszédhez elengedhetetlen. Tipikusan ilyen a magyar állami nyelvoktatás más nyelvekbõl is. Csak az írásos nyelvtant nyomatják orrvérzésig, ami egymagában semmit sem ér, még nyelvvizsgához sem elég. Ha valaki tényleg tudni akar, akkor gubát elõ és el kell menni egy profi magántanárhoz vagy több dohány esetén irány külföld.

Szerkesztette: N0zer0 2007. 08. 17. 18:01 -kor

[bepe_79]

Fancy now guys yesterday i met one of the british girls in the laundry and when she has finished with her washing / drying job she has waited for me and we went ``home`` together. I asked her for her room number and today morning i `ve visited her and asked her for her cell number. Anyway she gave me her cell number without thinking about it so I `m a little bit happy at this moment.  I `ve just text her and she answered so the number is good and it gonna be fine. I `ve just planned to borrow some of her dvd`s and then we will see...  She `s one of the beautifull girls here i`ve ever seen. Never ever before.     

[spidey]

Now, guys, you've just heard "Bepe's Picking Up Chicks Hour".
And now for some adverts...  :Р (Good Luck dude!)

Szerkesztette: spidey 2007. 08. 17. 20:03 -kor

[spidey]

Idézet: Dextrose - Dátum: 2007. aug. 15., szerda - 23:33

OK, I do everything what I can What do you think, if we talk a lot in this topic (approximately throghout 2 years), every day, at least 1 hour, will we speak well after this 2 years?

You know guys, this "how to learn English in 10 years" thing is pretty overrated. It seems like you guys are starting to have a big head about it(no offense, just don't get carried away.)

Actually, my humble advice for you would be:
-learn the grammar, either alone or with a teacher
-watch a lot of TV shows, not just the no-brainers, but CNN or BBC World too. It really helps a lot.

Rushing abroad might not be the best thing to do(just check our old mate bepe here, he's been there for almost half a year now, and still, he has huge problems with his grammar, again, no offense)

Then again, your grammar isn't that bad. You actually have to learn to form sentences the right way, so that they don't seem out of place in my humble opinion.

Well, that's about it. Chatting in English, preferrably with native speakers actually helps. Reading, say, Newsweek or Rolling Stone or whatever online does too. Fact is, we are indeed glad to help here, but that's just not gonna cut it alone...

[Wyco]

Chatting with others does not necessarily improve one's grammar. My personal experience is that when i was in the States, in Massachussettes, which counts to be one of the 'smarter' states, most people had no idea about the differences between the more complex past-structures, and some even ignored the you are, he does etc things, just by using you is, he do.

Having spent a year there i dont think i improved much on grammar, however i learnt new words, slangs, synonyms, etc.

Its more important that you actually LEARN the grammar, or if not then make sure that when you make a mistake, the others correct you. (Tell them to do so)

Szerkesztette: Wyco 2007. 08. 17. 20:24 -kor

[spidey]

Idézet: Wyco - Dátum: 2007. aug. 17., péntek - 21:23

Chatting with others does not necessarily improve one's grammar.

Didn't talk about the grammar. (I mean I didn't) It's more about the phrases, some useful slang, new words and forming sentences the right way(again, not talking about grammar, but rather about using the language like everyday people do). You have to learn the basics first, of course.

And again, something about "speaking English" just jumped into my mind: It's like playing the guitar. Everybody can, and nobody can. Ask the guys from Metallica and they will say that they still have to improve their knowledge. And they can play indeed.
The same just goes for language. You know what you want to use it for, and you gotta learn it accordingly. There is no such thing as speaking "perfect English" for most non-native speakers.

Szerkesztette: spidey 2007. 08. 17. 20:46 -kor

[Dextrose]

Idézet: szabinar - Dátum: 2007. aug. 17., péntek - 18:23

ismerek itt par embert aki 15+ eve itt van de iszonyatosan sz@rul beszelnik a nyelvet.

Really?  How could it be? 15 years is terrible much! It is impossible...What is awful? His word knowledge, or his grammar? Could this people do an succesful language examination? (intermediate).

Regulary if someone is abroad for long time, he must speak fluently on automatic.

Szerkesztette: Dextrose 2007. 08. 18. 12:43 -kor

[Wyco]

Idézet: Dextrose - Dátum: 2007. aug. 18., szombat - 13:40

Really?  How could it be? 15 years is terrible much! It is impossible...What is awful? His word knowledge, or his grammar? Could this people do an succesful language examination? (intermediate).

Regulary if someone is abroad for long time, he must speak fluently on automatic.

Some ppl dont have a sense of language. There is a part in your brain which is responsible for all this, if yours is smaller then its bad luck, if bigger, then you dont need 15 yrs to say 'hi'

[bepe_79]

She sent me a text today and she said in her message: `am ok hows you` so ive got a bit of chance i think so.  I `ve just been in her room but unfortunatelly i woke her up. But we`ve spoken and she said we can meet on Thursday. Ive a dayoff on thursday so im happy now. 

[spidey]

Idézet: bepe_79 - Dátum: 2007. aug. 20., hétfõ - 20:04

She sent me a text today and she said in her message: `am ok hows you` so ive got a bit of chance i think so.  I `ve just been in her room but unfortunatelly i woke her up. But we`ve spoken and she said we can meet on Thursday. Ive a dayoff on thursday so im happy now. 

One text message? That's just politeness IMO. Been in her room? Are you a stalker now? :Ð

[bepe_79]

Idézet: spidey - Dátum: 2007. aug. 20., hétfõ - 19:07

One text message? That's just politeness IMO. Been in her room? Are you a stalker now? :Ð

Not really a stalker just only a happy guy. I thought shes gonna send me away but fortunatelly she didn `t.

[gazdi]

Oh man I could hardly wait for the story after the "I woke her" part. What did I get? Nothing. Come on, man!

[bepe_79]

Idézet: gazdi - Dátum: 2007. aug. 21., kedd - 15:15

Oh man I could hardly wait for the story after the "I woke her" part. What did I get? Nothing. Come on, man!

That was the second time ive woke her up. First time ive juat visited her woke her up but sheswritten her cell number down to the piece of paper for me and gave it to me. Second time before yesterday when i met her i woke her up again. Than I `ve asked her about our meeting and she said we can meet this thursday after tomorrow.  Thats the full story I can `t tell any more. Anyway i really fancy her so I hope everything s gonna be ok on thursday.

[spidey]

OK man, next time, try not to make her fall asleep in the first place. :Ð

Szerkesztette: spidey 2007. 08. 23. 00:08 -kor

[bepe_79]

Idézet: spidey - Dátum: 2007. aug. 23., csütörtök - 0:07

OK man, next time, try not to make her fall asleep in the first place. :Ð

We `re going to meet today. Here it `s 6:37 AM now I got up @ 6 o `clock. I will go to the laundrette and than we `ll see. But I don `t wanna go outside of my room because its cold, around 15-16 degrees, its raining as well and its very-very windy today as well.  This weather makes me a little bit disappoint.

[gazdi]

Idézet: bepe_79 - Dátum: 2007. aug. 23., csütörtök - 7:41

We `re going to meet today. Here it `s 6:37 AM now I got up @ 6 o `clock. I will go to the laundrette and than we `ll see. But I don `t wanna go outside of my room because its cold, around 15-16 degrees, its raining as well and its very-very windy today as well.  This weather makes me a little bit disappoint.

And that awful weather also made your grammar even worse.
Anyway, good luck m8!