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Elküldve: 2008. 06. 17. 15:07

Idézet: shabba - Dátum: 2008. jún. 17., kedd - 15:55

Természtesen vannak alkalmazás specifikus szuperszámítógépek, amiket szinte hardware szinten egy adott probléma megoldására szántak. Ezeken nem futnak az általános célú benchmark tesztet, de amire készültek arra nagyon gyorsak. Én inkább a klíma kutatás terén olvastam ilyen gépekről, de biztos más alkalmazás csoportra és készült már hasonló. Ezek a gépek jóval nagyobb teljesítményűek lehetnek mint amiket a top500-ban szerepelnek, de csak arra a feladatra tudják kiaknázni a képességeiket amire konkrétan készültek. Ezeknek a gépeknek az ár/teljesítmény mutatóik is igen kedvezőek.

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Elküldve: 2008. 06. 17. 15:12

Az Intel Larrabeeról még keveset tudni, de ha van eszük akkor ugyanazzal az AVX SIMD utasításkészlettel vértezik fel, mint ami a Nehalemet követő Sandy Bridge architectúrában is megjelenik. Az AVX alapból úgy készül hogy támogatja a 256,512 és 1024 bit szélességű SIMD feldolgozást. A Sandy Bridge 256 bites lesz, a Larrabee meg használhatná az 512 vagy 1024 bit széles opciókat. Ezen kívül a Larrabee egy lebutított x86 lenne így e téren is lenne egy közös "nyelv". Ez programozhatóság szempontjából szerintem sok előnyt jelentene pl. a CUDA-val szemben.

Azért az Intel sem most kezd fordítókat írni, neki is ott van a Ct fejlesztői rendszere ami a masszív párhuzamosságot támogató rendszerekhez készít már évek óta. A Ct-nél az SIMD és a multi core rendszerek minél nagyobb fokú kihasználása alapoktól cél volt, ugyanúgy mint a jővőbeli TeraScale platformok kezelése. In order fronton meg azért Itanium miatt szintén van némi tapasztalata Intelnek.

Ott van még az Exoskeleton projectjük is, amit pont a GPGPU rendszerek minél hatékonyabb programozhatósága érdekében fejlesztenek jó ideje. Pl. az MS-sel összedolgozva, ha ezt átvinnék az elkövetkező Win-ba, ez is előnyt hozhatna Intelnek, bár ezt más gyártók is ugyanúgy kihasználhatnák.

És azért lehet még olvasni a többmagos procik többszáló programozhatóságát segítő eljárások jővőbeli  hardwares támogatásáról is Szóval azért az Intel software téren is évek óta elég sokféle irányba fejleszt és nekem nagyon úgy tűnik hogy ezek a fejlesztések azért erősen egy irányba, a jővőbeli TeraScale fejlesztések felé futnak össze.

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Elküldve: 2008. 06. 17. 16:01

Idézet: shabba - Dátum: 2008. jún. 17., kedd - 15:27

A CUDA azért igen nehezen programozható felület és a kód sem túl hatékony.

levenhogy mar nem1 szoffert lapatoltam ossze a CUDA fole kanyaritott BLAS-ra, foleg finance szegmens szofferek, de van nehany simulated annealing, meg monte-carlo cuccos is - azt tudnam mondani hogy siman kivalt egy 5000 dodos itaniumot ha ertesz hozza - ami nem rossz szerintem egy nyiheteg 8800GT-tol :)


Idézet: shabba - Dátum: 2008. jún. 17., kedd - 15:27

A CUDA programozhatóságának korlátaira meg azért jó példa hogy a mai napig nem lehet olyan iparági bechmarkokat lefuttatni ezekkel az eszközökkel mint egy spec vagy linpack. Ha ez menne, akkor azért jobban össze lehetne vetni őket a többi termékkel.
shabba basszus egyszer nezd mar at azt az api-t. le lehetne linpackot futtani, ha atdolgoznad benne a hivasokat - csak ugymeg menne a vauvau hogy azmarugynemislinpack. hasonlo dolog mint az ms c++ STL kompatibilitasa. az ms c++ nemtud STL-t mert elegtelen tudasu a template kezelese hozza - ehelyett az STL funkcionalitas azert ott van, randan, csunyan, labbalhajtosan (ATL)

Szerkesztette: SFIJ 2008. 06. 17. 16:11 -kor

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Elküldve: 2008. 06. 17. 16:21

Idézet: shabba - Dátum: 2008. jún. 17., kedd - 15:51

Ez azért nem ilyen 1xű, hogy ha X a single precision akkor X/2 a double. Gondolja csak az alap Cellre, ott is tizedére csökken a double precison teljesítmény a single precisonhoz képest.

A Teslának 8-as csoportba vannak stream procijai, amik single precisionok, és minden ilyen 8-as tömbhöz csak egy double precision egység tartozik, ezért nyolcadolódik a teljesítmény.

Hogy ez AMD-nél hogy van azt még nem igazán tudni, de gyanítom ott is valami 5-ös, 6-os egység csoporthoz lehet egy DP egység, ezért ötöde, hatoda a DP teljesítmény.

de hol talasz egy itanuimban 30 DP egyseget meg 30 SFU-t ami exponencialis meg trigonometrikus fv-eket szamol alapbol? szvsz sehol  ;)  hogy nem lesz teraflopsos teljesitmenye a GTX280-nak az egy dolog, de irdatlan nagy ero van benne Dp-ben is, csak nem "szokas" az iparban megmuvelni a GPUkat rendesen. egy itanium 1700 millio tranzisztorabol kb 400 millio a core logic a tobb cache, a graphic tesla 1400 millio tranzisztorabol 1300 millio a core logic es kb 100 millio a cache + emoriak
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Elküldve: 2008. 06. 17. 16:58

Idézet: bogdan - Dátum: 2008. jún. 17., kedd - 16:05

nem X/2, hanem X/4! persze, hogy ujra kell forgatni, meg kesleltetes, meg minden, de azert ennel egy nagysagrendel ne legyen mar lassabb!
a Cell-re miert is gondoljak? nem hasonlitod veletlenul az elmeleti maximum SP-t a gyakorlati DP-hez? lasd alabb az elmeleti 1tera kontra valos 174 giga tesla..
az, hogy konkret DP egyseg keves van benne, az egy dolog, de hat ilyen hardware-re amugy is kezzel kell csiszolni a kodot, akkor meg 4 sp az bevalthato 1 dp-re. az, hogy konkret DP egyseg nincs benne annyi, az meg nem jelenti azt, hogy csak azok vegezhetnek DP szamitasokat. (az eredeti cellben ugye egyaltalan nincs DP egyseg, megis van neki DP teljesitmenye!)

teslanak 30 dp egysege van es 30 SFU-ja. a cell ezzel nem tud versenyezni.
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Elküldve: 2008. 06. 17. 22:48

hat tudni biztos, hogy tud. en empirikus tudomanyt muvelek (bolcseszet erdekessegei.. :D), es azt kell, hogy mondjam, hogy a top500 legtetejen most epp egy cellre alapulo gep van, es nem videokartyakra. tehat nem csak, hogy versenyezni tud, hanem empirikusan le is korozi. kogy miert meg hogyan az mar egy sokkal erdekesebb kerdes. az biztos, hogy mar a cell is halal normal programozas szempontjabol (mar amennyire meg tudom itelni, de ez az iteletem gyanum szerint alapos es helyes), a videokartyak programozasa meg meg inkabb az. persze a jovo arra fele mutat, ez igy van. de kell a segito kez (megfeleloen optimakolo compiler) is hozza, asz'szem ez egyertelmu.

Szerkesztette: bogdan 2008. 06. 17. 22:49 -kor

a forum ma:
"Ez van bazdmeg, ha nem tetszik, el lehet menni."

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Elküldve: 2008. 06. 18. 01:11

Clearspeed squeezes 96 GFlops out of 12 watts
http://www.tgdaily.c...view/37970/135/

És ami még durvábbá teszi az hogy ezt double precision mellett ennyi. Vagyis teoretikusan DP mellett kicsivel többet tud mint a Tesla és mindezt huszad annyi fogyasztás mellett. Impozáns.

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Elküldve: 2008. 06. 18. 01:49

Idézet: shabba - Dátum: 2008. jún. 18., szerda - 2:11

Clearspeed squeezes 96 GFlops out of 12 watts
http://www.tgdaily.c...view/37970/135/

És ami még durvábbá teszi az hogy ezt double precision mellett ennyi. Vagyis teoretikusan DP mellett kicsivel többet tud mint a Tesla és mindezt huszad annyi fogyasztás mellett. Impozáns.

a teoretikádat nem értem, a gyártó "promises" 96GFlops áll szemben az nv által ígért 100GFlopssal.  :think:
a két termék homolokegyenes eltérő piacokra készül, így összevetésük is érdekes. lehet hogy energiahtékonysága remek, de az ára valszeg többezer dollár és legalább 5-össel kezdődik az a számjegy. ehhez képest egy készreszerelt GTX200 $680....
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Elküldve: 2008. 06. 18. 03:03

hamár így nekifogtonk az nV-t ekézni, kis színes a héten bemutattott tesla S1070-es 1U magas nV gépről :)
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Elküldve: 2008. 06. 18. 15:59

Toshiba Qosmio notesz négymagos Core 2 Extreme és Cell processzorral

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Hozzászólás ikon  Elküldve: 2008. 11. 19. 22:23

Leadtek PxVC1100
Ahogy a cikkben írják egy 4/7 Cell proci, meg némi video rásegítés, lásd mint fent.
30.000 jen kezdőáron. Kíváncsi vagyok mennyire kattannak rá erre a SpursEngine-re a fejlesztők?
Vajh egyébb dolgokra is lehetne használni? (Fizika, A.I., rendering, egyébb?)  :think:
Kép

Szerkesztette: Inquisitor 2008. 11. 19. 22:24 -kor

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Elküldve: 2008. 11. 21. 23:31

The SpursEngine gets tested - The Leadtek PxVC1100 card finally arrives

Eredeti japán cikk, a Google ferdí ... fordításában, diagramokkal.

Szerkesztette: Inquisitor 2008. 11. 21. 23:32 -kor

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Elküldve: 2008. 11. 27. 18:27

Idézet: Inquisitor - Dátum: 2008. nov. 21., péntek - 22:31


udv,

thomson is csinal hasonlot firecoder blu nevvel. Allitolag minden windows-os nle szoftverrel egyuttmukodik, hat kivancsi leszek ra mit hoznak ki belole. Az elgondolas mindenesetre erdekes.

Bar elnezve a teszteket valahol van egy szuk keresztmetszet, mert 80 fps korul van a top amit tudd.

Fj

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Elküldve: 2009. 03. 07. 02:22

Rackelhető Cell-rendszert dobott piacra a német Pyramid

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Elküldve: 2009. 12. 29. 18:39

Mai hír az indexen: processzort keres a sony, ugyanis a Cell 2 fejlesztését leállították.
Az összetartás olyan erõ, ami hegyeket képes megmozgani. Feltéve, hogy legalább a fele egy irányba tolja. (Idézet egy régi CoV-ból)

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Elküldve: 2010. 01. 05. 15:42

Idézet: hajsza - Dátum: 2009. dec. 29., kedd - 19:39

Mai hír az indexen: processzort keres a sony, ugyanis a Cell 2 fejlesztését leállították.

úristen, ezt a fasságot. a címig jó az index cikk. semmi ilyesmiről nem szól sem a kotaku, sem a forrás pc watch. idióták. az a cikk a sony útkeresését taglalja, és hogy még nem született végleges döntés, az erős opciók közt van egy továbbfejlesztett cell, mely jobban támogatja a programozókat.

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Elküldve: 2010. 01. 11. 10:22

Idézet: special - Dátum: 2010. jan. 5., kedd - 16:42

úristen, ezt a fasságot. a címig jó az index cikk. semmi ilyesmiről nem szól sem a kotaku, sem a forrás pc watch. idióták. az a cikk a sony útkeresését taglalja, és hogy még nem született végleges döntés, az erős opciók közt van egy továbbfejlesztett cell, mely jobban támogatja a programozókat.

hogy mért nem lepődök én már meg ezen :)
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